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Title: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Tavnazia on July 08, 2010, 11:50:27 AM
I came across a very interesting blog post today regarding Blizzard and the public affairs of some of their employees. It's quite an interesting Knowledge Bomb if you ask me. Check this out. http://asnowstormbyanyothername.blogspot.com/ (http://asnowstormbyanyothername.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Feriluce on July 08, 2010, 12:40:18 PM
Knowledge bomb? Really?
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Majeef on July 08, 2010, 12:57:21 PM
Man, all these sites and blogs digging for info on employees families and friends seems really creepy and sinister to me - whether they're trying to make a point or just report doesn't really matter.

I imagine there are politicians that have been under less scrutiny. Some of the people doing all this prying should spend a little time looking at their own lives first.
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Tavnazia on July 08, 2010, 01:10:43 PM
Man, all these sites and blogs digging for info on employees families and friends seems really creepy and sinister to me - whether they're trying to make a point or just report doesn't really matter.

I imagine there are politicians that have been under less scrutiny. Some of the people doing all this prying should spend a little time looking at their own lives first.

Is it digging if the info is public record and available to everyone? I don't think so.
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Feriluce on July 08, 2010, 01:29:20 PM
Man, all these sites and blogs digging for info on employees families and friends seems really creepy and sinister to me - whether they're trying to make a point or just report doesn't really matter.

I imagine there are politicians that have been under less scrutiny. Some of the people doing all this prying should spend a little time looking at their own lives first.

Is it digging if the info is public record and available to everyone? I don't think so.

Doesn't make it less creepy.
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Majeef on July 08, 2010, 01:33:36 PM
Yea, it's not quite the Paparazzi and it falls short of invasion of privacy, thats for sure. To actually spend time researching everything you can find out about someone and their family, compile and publish it is what feels wrong to me (in this case). Seems like it's turning a policy decision by a game company into personal attacks on employees.
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Feriluce on July 08, 2010, 01:38:25 PM
Yea, it's not quite the Paparazzi and it falls short of invasion of privacy, thats for sure. To actually spend time researching everything you can find out about someone and their family, compile and publish it is what feels wrong to me (in this case). Seems like it's turning a policy decision by a game company into personal attacks on employees.

The thing that disturbs me most about this, however, is that bobby has kids.
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Tavnazia on July 08, 2010, 01:41:44 PM
Yea, it's not quite the Paparazzi and it falls short of invasion of privacy, thats for sure. To actually spend time researching everything you can find out about someone and their family, compile and publish it is what feels wrong to me (in this case). Seems like it's turning a policy decision by a game company into personal attacks on employees.

The problem is that theses activities can't be enforced one way or another. I mean really, you can't legally stop any one for displaying information that's already available to the open public. It just ends up being a matter on who cares to read it. Same thing happens with public government documents. Many legislative documents are available to anyone, it's just a matter of how much patients you have to acquire a copy because you are guaranteed to have to jump through hoops to access it.
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Majeef on July 08, 2010, 01:48:51 PM
The thing that disturbs me most about this, however, is that bobby has kids.
At least they're rich kids  8)

The problem is that theses activities can't be enforced one way or another. I mean really, you can't legally stop any one for displaying information that's already available to the open public. It just ends up being a matter on who cares to read it. Same thing happens with public government documents. Many legislative documents are available to anyone, it's just a matter of how much patients you have to acquire a copy because you are guaranteed to have to jump through hoops to access it.
Yup, I agree with ya. I guess it just makes me uneasy as it's about an mmo rather than the likes of BP or a Government dept or something, the basement guerrillas have taken one step further than they have gone before :P
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Manly_Stuff on July 08, 2010, 01:52:13 PM
I can't help but find that rather childish:

"So, you're going to attach our names if we post in your forums?

Ah! We will post all your information and that of your employees in a preemptive strike (but mean no harm, honest)!

How dare you go against the Sacred Anonimity of our Tubes! Haha! Take that!"

Oh Internet and your terror tactics, you are so adorable.

The more time we lose fighting among ourselves is just more time we give Skynet a chance to win. Think about it.
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Devout on July 08, 2010, 06:27:55 PM
Blizzard wants to have their cake and eat it too.

They're not going to get a "community" feel with 10 million subscribers.  Those days are long gone.  

Third-party sites thrive because they can manage their relatively small population.  Blizzard doesn't want to spend a fortune moderating their forums, so they've decided to effectively nuke them instead.  

It's a cheap move.  I don't give a rat's ass about anonymity online, but for others, it's a legitimate need.  

More to the point of the thread - that blog is just an example of an angry basement dweller with too much time on his hands.
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Tavnazia on July 09, 2010, 10:58:56 AM
More to the point of the thread - that blog is just an example of an angry basement dweller with too much time on his hands.

He may have too mush time on his hands but his logic... or illogic... however you want to take it; is sound.
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Feriluce on July 09, 2010, 11:01:06 AM
More to the point of the thread - that blog is just an example of an angry basement dweller with too much time on his hands.

He may have too mush time on his hands but his logic... or illogic... however you want to take it; is sound.

What logic? That you can find an employee of a large corporation by his name, the corporation he's employed at and the work he has done?

If thats the case then good job captain obvious.
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Tavnazia on July 09, 2010, 11:09:04 AM
What logic? That you can find an employee of a large corporation by his name, the corporation he's employed at and the work he has done?

If thats the case then good job captain obvious.

Indeed but the point about that was that no one cared about that information until it was dragged out where everyone could see it without having to do the detective work themselves.
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Feriluce on July 09, 2010, 11:17:52 AM
What logic? That you can find an employee of a large corporation by his name, the corporation he's employed at and the work he has done?

If thats the case then good job captain obvious.

Indeed but the point about that was that no one cared about that information until it was dragged out where everyone could see it without having to do the detective work themselves.

Does anyone actually care about that information? I sure dont. What is there to care about? Is everyone going to stalk the guy now suddenly or something?
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Devout on July 09, 2010, 01:29:46 PM
Blizz just announced they were killing the real-name-on-forums feature.

Good on them.  Makes me wrong about a lot of the things I've said about them here and on other forums.  I'm OK with that.
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Feriluce on July 09, 2010, 01:39:28 PM
Blizz just announced they were killing the real-name-on-forums feature.

Good on them.  Makes me wrong about a lot of the things I've said about them here and on other forums.  I'm OK with that.

That they had a backbone and that they didnt cave into paranoid whining?
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Octale on July 09, 2010, 02:42:32 PM
Blizz just announced they were killing the real-name-on-forums feature.

Good on them.  Makes me wrong about a lot of the things I've said about them here and on other forums.  I'm OK with that.

That they were interested in real accessibility by bring relevant discourse to their forums, rather than having to piece it together from 100 fan sites?
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Natural20 on July 09, 2010, 03:13:34 PM
But anonymity doesn't exist to protect people from reprisal for retarded comments.

It exists to protect people from trolls who would seek to use anything personal to invalidate the opinion of someone else. For example a guy named Muhammed is called a terrorist just because he happens to have a name associated with Islamic terror. Muhammed would have been a valuable poster but is rightfully hurt by the accusation against him and leaves.

One can claim that society is past this, but from personal experience I know it isn't. Further to that, even if Muhammed doesn't have this comment levelled against him, any person who reads his name is coloured by their opinion of what a "Muhammed" might be like and tacit racism certainly does exist within our society.

I believe the point of the site is an (albeit extreme) illustration of this.

Blizzard's attempt to make the community better is laudable. The implementation via the removal of anonymity is idiotic.
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Feriluce on July 09, 2010, 05:38:13 PM
But anonymity doesn't exist to protect people from reprisal for retarded comments.

It exists to protect people from trolls who would seek to use anything personal to invalidate the opinion of someone else. For example a guy named Muhammed is called a terrorist just because he happens to have a name associated with Islamic terror. Muhammed would have been a valuable poster but is rightfully hurt by the accusation against him and leaves.

One can claim that society is past this, but from personal experience I know it isn't. Further to that, even if Muhammed doesn't have this comment levelled against him, any person who reads his name is coloured by their opinion of what a "Muhammed" might be like and tacit racism certainly does exist within our society.

I believe the point of the site is an (albeit extreme) illustration of this.

Blizzard's attempt to make the community better is laudable. The implementation via the removal of anonymity is idiotic.

You forgot the part where the troll is then openly shown as a racist with his real name beside his comment. Furthermore he's also banned from the forum for racism.
Title: Re: A Snowstom Cometh?
Post by: Devout on July 13, 2010, 05:32:21 PM
But anonymity doesn't exist to protect people from reprisal for retarded comments.

It exists to protect people from trolls who would seek to use anything personal to invalidate the opinion of someone else. For example a guy named Muhammed is called a terrorist just because he happens to have a name associated with Islamic terror. Muhammed would have been a valuable poster but is rightfully hurt by the accusation against him and leaves.

One can claim that society is past this, but from personal experience I know it isn't. Further to that, even if Muhammed doesn't have this comment levelled against him, any person who reads his name is coloured by their opinion of what a "Muhammed" might be like and tacit racism certainly does exist within our society.

I believe the point of the site is an (albeit extreme) illustration of this.

Blizzard's attempt to make the community better is laudable. The implementation via the removal of anonymity is idiotic.

You forgot the part where the troll is then openly shown as a racist with his real name beside his comment. Furthermore he's also banned from the forum for racism.

You're forgetting the part where lots of people spew hate online with their names associated with it anyway.  Look at Facebook and MySpace.

You're forgetting the part where people who really love to troll will just do so with fake names on accounts they pay with only with prepaid timecards.

You're forgetting the part where certain military personnel could no longer post in even a customer support forum if they had to have their real name attached to it, for operational security reasons. 

It was a bad idea.  There's a better way to fix the forums:

1.  Post rating.  Downrated posts just die and don't get seen. 

2.  No level 1 alt trolling.  Level 40 required to post anywhere outside the customer service forum. 

3.  Hire more moderators.  There aren't nearly enough.  The reason why sites like this one can remain civil is because the ratio of authorized moderators to regular posters is very favorable.  I'm not saying Blizzard can approach that sort of ratio, but if they were to increase their dedicated forum staff by a factor of 10, it would fix the problem immediately.

The real name feature was an unnecessary security risk that would have been largely ineffective at accomplishing anything but scaring more legitimate posters away.